But President Roosevelt can bear the burden of the leftist sins?
I simply chose one example of possibly well intentioned hypocrisy from each party platform.
There are more that are equally disturbing from the conservative party I can share if you prefer the airing of more dirty laundry! I chose one I was alerted to around the time I wrote the article. (Obviously the same goes for the left. However, I was raised conservative and am more familiar with the hypocrisy therein.)
Roosevelt was a very influential mover in the Progressive movement. He got elected 4 times for God's sake... people still, to this day, sing his praises and say he saved America from the Depression.
The slave trader from Arizona has no real connection to the "conservative platform" or the "pro-life platform" or whatever... he is only one of many examples of hypocrites, to be sure... but pointing to places where people are violating conservative principles is no way to talk about conservative principles. Should we be "pro-choice" because of a criminal who preyed on innocent mothers?
"The Pro-life platform ... seems to support child trafficking".... I mean come on, man (As Joe Biden would say).
In general I do appreciate making sure we abide by our principles, and it's always good to call out hypocrisy... but personally I'm just not sure how calling a child trafficker a "conservative" can possibly result in a productive conversation about conservatism.
Great read though, and I learned a lot about Folic Acid!
We are certainly entitled to believe what we wish regarding the stance of others. I have yet to be judged accurately for my political beliefs. I do not think a platform is one man but the type men the majority allow. Usually if they have "good business practices" the bar for behaviour is set quite low.
I wrote based on party platform facts and his expression of specific personal belief in the pro life party platform. Only God can judge the heart, yes?
well sure... we are certainly entitled to believe what we wish.
My challenge, to be perfectly clear, is that you are still painting the entirety of the platform with the actions of one criminal. Don't you think it's fair to say that almost every pro-lifer you know, and the ideals of the pro life platform itself would... um... frown upon child trafficking? This is not a productive approach to the conservative platform, or the pro-life platform.
This is actually basically the inverse of Godwin's Law (the law which states: "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"), in which you're just starting off by saying, "you know who ELSE liked low taxes? ADOLF HITLER! That's who!"
You're not even waiting for the discussion to devolve before calling the entire movement to protect the unborn illegitimate based on one evil person's opinion, you just come out with from the start. It's... fascinating really.
Hey did you know Adolf Hitler was an environmentalist? LOL.
OK, so enjoy the rest of your day... I liked your newest article too!
Just getting around to reading many of the posts on this forum. I have a comment on this one. The statement you made that the use of folic acid in pregnancy is a leading cause of miscarriage is patently false. The NIH article you linked to support that claim says literally nothing to that effect. It studies the effect of HIGH DOSE folic acid therapy (5 times higher than in even prescription prenatal vitamins) in patients with a particular genetic mutation at the point in our DNA that breaks down folic acid into its usable form. People with the MTHFR mutation cannot do this as effectively as those without it. This inability can cause fertility issues and higher rates of birth defects. The study was stating that it’s unnecessary (but not harmful) to use extremely high doses to overcome the methylation block, and that standard doses found in prenatal or daily vitamins are sufficient (and vital) to aid these patients in becoming pregnant and in reducing the risk of neural tube defects. I know all of this intimately because I carry two copies of the mutated MTHFR gene, and was closely monitored through my last pregnancy as a result of the previous child being stillborn with a significant neural tube defect (among other issues). A lot of words to say...folic acid supplementation doesn’t cause miscarriage. It does prevent neural tube defects.
In fact...here’s a link to another NIH article that supports folic acid supplementation to help PREVENT miscarriage. Happy reading!
Hi there! I apologize for the misunderstanding - I also am homozygous MTHFR and I am specifically speaking of the difference between folic acid and folate. Yes, folate does prevent neural tube defects. Folic acid in a mutated being (such as myself) inhibits the ability to methylate which then inhibits conception. If I misunderstood the specific article i will have to chalk that up to not being a doctor. But I DO have a homozygous mutation of the MTHFR gene. Supplementing with folate (many doctors use these terms interchangeably but if you are homozygous you know there is a difference between methylated folate and folic acid.) In my experience, I took folic acid during my pregnancy and my placenta calcified prematurely. I almost lost my son in childbirth. I did not know of my mutation until 6 years later. There are many support groups who understand and educate women like me on fertility and pregnancy support with MTHFR. It is understood and experienced in these groups that folic acid leads to miscarriage while bioavailable folate/ methylated folate can be a literal life saver. Thanks for helping me clarify!
So that’s not how any of that works. Folate is the methylated form of folic acid, its usable form. The genetic mutation limits your body’s ability to convert folic acid into its methylated form. Yes, supplementation with the already methylated form is ideal. It’s also pricey...believe me, I know. That does NOT, however, make the folic acid form somehow toxic, regardless of source. Your body just can’t use it as efficiently, so it processes out of your system in its un-methylated form. The study you posted was conducted SPECIFICALLY in women with homozygous mutation if the MTHFR gene, and simply showed that if you give them normal amounts of folic acid (about 800mcg daily), that it’s enough to OVERCOME the inefficiency of their mutated system without having to resort to very high doses or expensive pre-methylated forms. THAT is the science. But, I realize people believe what they want to believe, so you do you.
(PS-I’m in the medical field, I know the difference between folate and folic acid. I also have extensive training and education on how to read and interpret scientific articles.)
I surely cannot speak as a medical professional, just as a mutant! I know for myself that my body operates differently on folic acid vs. Bioavailable folate (from my food or a methylated source). This is a well known fact in wellness circles. In fact, due to my mutation I had to pull back from traditional western medicine because it made me more ill. I had a heart attack at 26 due to high levels of homocysteine which was caused by too much folic acid in my system. With a homozygous mutation we detox at 10-30% of a non-mutant. So the folic acid I was taking via supplements recommended by my doctor before genetic testing was not simply processing out of my body but collecting and raising levels of inflammation. Inflammation leads to disease, and in my case, myocardial infarction. I respect your understanding of scientific articles, however, my point with this article is simply that the more we denature our nutrients the more we denature our people. The processed food movement which was purported by the left platform has caused harm to our physical and mental health. Perhaps you can suggest a more applicable article as apparently I misunderstood the one I chose.
I agree with you that consuming too much processed food is unhealthy. I also understand the risks of MTHFR mutations as related to elevated homocysteine levels and the attendant cardiovascular risk. I have my homocysteine levels checked regularly. But your post doesn’t reference that. Your post says that folic acid supplementation is a leading cause of miscarriages and also dismisses its role in helping prevent NTDs. Neither of THOSE claims are true in any scientifically plausible way. You also only very vaguely and passingly mentioned lack of routine genetic testing as part of your reasoning for anything, which could lead the trusting reader to infer that folic acid supplementation is to be avoided before and during pregnancy for ALL women, not just those who have the relevant mutated gene. That is irresponsible, from my point of view. However, its potential negative effect is heavily mediated by the abundance of folate (methylated and otherwise) in a typical American diet (processed or otherwise), so I’m not as concerned as I would be if we were in say, Mexico. But perhaps clarification is needed in your posts if you’re going to cite scientific studies to back your claims. And read the studies carefully to determine relevance to that claim. Most readers of such posts trust the author to provide accurate information, and a large percentage won’t read a scientific article cited at the bottom.
(And I did link an article for you... one showing that folic acid supplementation actually reduces risk of miscarriage, which was to refute your claim with which I took issue. I am certain there are an abundance of studies that show consuming excess processed food is not healthy. That wasn’t my issue with your post.)
Further studies performed on this matter by the European Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology and Reproductive Biology found at www.elsevier.com/locate/ejorb
I look forward to reading the re-write! That first link takes me to an article that seems to clearly link the mutated gene’s dysfunction with repeated miscarriage and repeated implantation failure. It says nothing at all about folic acid supplementation, one way or another. The second link takes me to a “page no longer found” error.
Are we sure that one dude from Arizona represents all there is to the "Pro-life platform"? I find that generalization... disturbing.
But President Roosevelt can bear the burden of the leftist sins?
I simply chose one example of possibly well intentioned hypocrisy from each party platform.
There are more that are equally disturbing from the conservative party I can share if you prefer the airing of more dirty laundry! I chose one I was alerted to around the time I wrote the article. (Obviously the same goes for the left. However, I was raised conservative and am more familiar with the hypocrisy therein.)
Roosevelt was a very influential mover in the Progressive movement. He got elected 4 times for God's sake... people still, to this day, sing his praises and say he saved America from the Depression.
The slave trader from Arizona has no real connection to the "conservative platform" or the "pro-life platform" or whatever... he is only one of many examples of hypocrites, to be sure... but pointing to places where people are violating conservative principles is no way to talk about conservative principles. Should we be "pro-choice" because of a criminal who preyed on innocent mothers?
"The Pro-life platform ... seems to support child trafficking".... I mean come on, man (As Joe Biden would say).
In general I do appreciate making sure we abide by our principles, and it's always good to call out hypocrisy... but personally I'm just not sure how calling a child trafficker a "conservative" can possibly result in a productive conversation about conservatism.
Great read though, and I learned a lot about Folic Acid!
We are certainly entitled to believe what we wish regarding the stance of others. I have yet to be judged accurately for my political beliefs. I do not think a platform is one man but the type men the majority allow. Usually if they have "good business practices" the bar for behaviour is set quite low.
I wrote based on party platform facts and his expression of specific personal belief in the pro life party platform. Only God can judge the heart, yes?
well sure... we are certainly entitled to believe what we wish.
My challenge, to be perfectly clear, is that you are still painting the entirety of the platform with the actions of one criminal. Don't you think it's fair to say that almost every pro-lifer you know, and the ideals of the pro life platform itself would... um... frown upon child trafficking? This is not a productive approach to the conservative platform, or the pro-life platform.
This is actually basically the inverse of Godwin's Law (the law which states: "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"), in which you're just starting off by saying, "you know who ELSE liked low taxes? ADOLF HITLER! That's who!"
You're not even waiting for the discussion to devolve before calling the entire movement to protect the unborn illegitimate based on one evil person's opinion, you just come out with from the start. It's... fascinating really.
Hey did you know Adolf Hitler was an environmentalist? LOL.
OK, so enjoy the rest of your day... I liked your newest article too!
Just getting around to reading many of the posts on this forum. I have a comment on this one. The statement you made that the use of folic acid in pregnancy is a leading cause of miscarriage is patently false. The NIH article you linked to support that claim says literally nothing to that effect. It studies the effect of HIGH DOSE folic acid therapy (5 times higher than in even prescription prenatal vitamins) in patients with a particular genetic mutation at the point in our DNA that breaks down folic acid into its usable form. People with the MTHFR mutation cannot do this as effectively as those without it. This inability can cause fertility issues and higher rates of birth defects. The study was stating that it’s unnecessary (but not harmful) to use extremely high doses to overcome the methylation block, and that standard doses found in prenatal or daily vitamins are sufficient (and vital) to aid these patients in becoming pregnant and in reducing the risk of neural tube defects. I know all of this intimately because I carry two copies of the mutated MTHFR gene, and was closely monitored through my last pregnancy as a result of the previous child being stillborn with a significant neural tube defect (among other issues). A lot of words to say...folic acid supplementation doesn’t cause miscarriage. It does prevent neural tube defects.
In fact...here’s a link to another NIH article that supports folic acid supplementation to help PREVENT miscarriage. Happy reading!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4086728/
Hi there! I apologize for the misunderstanding - I also am homozygous MTHFR and I am specifically speaking of the difference between folic acid and folate. Yes, folate does prevent neural tube defects. Folic acid in a mutated being (such as myself) inhibits the ability to methylate which then inhibits conception. If I misunderstood the specific article i will have to chalk that up to not being a doctor. But I DO have a homozygous mutation of the MTHFR gene. Supplementing with folate (many doctors use these terms interchangeably but if you are homozygous you know there is a difference between methylated folate and folic acid.) In my experience, I took folic acid during my pregnancy and my placenta calcified prematurely. I almost lost my son in childbirth. I did not know of my mutation until 6 years later. There are many support groups who understand and educate women like me on fertility and pregnancy support with MTHFR. It is understood and experienced in these groups that folic acid leads to miscarriage while bioavailable folate/ methylated folate can be a literal life saver. Thanks for helping me clarify!
So that’s not how any of that works. Folate is the methylated form of folic acid, its usable form. The genetic mutation limits your body’s ability to convert folic acid into its methylated form. Yes, supplementation with the already methylated form is ideal. It’s also pricey...believe me, I know. That does NOT, however, make the folic acid form somehow toxic, regardless of source. Your body just can’t use it as efficiently, so it processes out of your system in its un-methylated form. The study you posted was conducted SPECIFICALLY in women with homozygous mutation if the MTHFR gene, and simply showed that if you give them normal amounts of folic acid (about 800mcg daily), that it’s enough to OVERCOME the inefficiency of their mutated system without having to resort to very high doses or expensive pre-methylated forms. THAT is the science. But, I realize people believe what they want to believe, so you do you.
(PS-I’m in the medical field, I know the difference between folate and folic acid. I also have extensive training and education on how to read and interpret scientific articles.)
I surely cannot speak as a medical professional, just as a mutant! I know for myself that my body operates differently on folic acid vs. Bioavailable folate (from my food or a methylated source). This is a well known fact in wellness circles. In fact, due to my mutation I had to pull back from traditional western medicine because it made me more ill. I had a heart attack at 26 due to high levels of homocysteine which was caused by too much folic acid in my system. With a homozygous mutation we detox at 10-30% of a non-mutant. So the folic acid I was taking via supplements recommended by my doctor before genetic testing was not simply processing out of my body but collecting and raising levels of inflammation. Inflammation leads to disease, and in my case, myocardial infarction. I respect your understanding of scientific articles, however, my point with this article is simply that the more we denature our nutrients the more we denature our people. The processed food movement which was purported by the left platform has caused harm to our physical and mental health. Perhaps you can suggest a more applicable article as apparently I misunderstood the one I chose.
I agree with you that consuming too much processed food is unhealthy. I also understand the risks of MTHFR mutations as related to elevated homocysteine levels and the attendant cardiovascular risk. I have my homocysteine levels checked regularly. But your post doesn’t reference that. Your post says that folic acid supplementation is a leading cause of miscarriages and also dismisses its role in helping prevent NTDs. Neither of THOSE claims are true in any scientifically plausible way. You also only very vaguely and passingly mentioned lack of routine genetic testing as part of your reasoning for anything, which could lead the trusting reader to infer that folic acid supplementation is to be avoided before and during pregnancy for ALL women, not just those who have the relevant mutated gene. That is irresponsible, from my point of view. However, its potential negative effect is heavily mediated by the abundance of folate (methylated and otherwise) in a typical American diet (processed or otherwise), so I’m not as concerned as I would be if we were in say, Mexico. But perhaps clarification is needed in your posts if you’re going to cite scientific studies to back your claims. And read the studies carefully to determine relevance to that claim. Most readers of such posts trust the author to provide accurate information, and a large percentage won’t read a scientific article cited at the bottom.
(And I did link an article for you... one showing that folic acid supplementation actually reduces risk of miscarriage, which was to refute your claim with which I took issue. I am certain there are an abundance of studies that show consuming excess processed food is not healthy. That wasn’t my issue with your post.)
All valid points. I will retract and rewrite based on this:
The human methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase
(MTHFR) gene is located on the short arm of chromosome
1 (1p36.22) and is composed of 11 exons. The MTHFR en-
zyme plays an essential role in folate metabolism, and it is
essential for cell division, embryo development, and early
pregnancy [8]. The two most common polymorphisms of
the MTHFR gene are MTHFR A1298C (rs1801131) and
MTHFR C677T (rs1801133) [9]. Reduction in MTHFR ac-
tivity is associated with an increased blood level of homocys-
teine and cardiovascular disease [10, 11]. Associations be-
tween MTHFR gene polymorphisms (C677T and A1298C)
and the risk of RM have been previously demonstrated [12,
13].
This is published by the Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics and is available at https://doi.org/10.1007/s10815-018-1205-6
Further studies performed on this matter by the European Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology and Reproductive Biology found at www.elsevier.com/locate/ejorb
I look forward to reading the re-write! That first link takes me to an article that seems to clearly link the mutated gene’s dysfunction with repeated miscarriage and repeated implantation failure. It says nothing at all about folic acid supplementation, one way or another. The second link takes me to a “page no longer found” error.